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to be fair, InVision Studio is not an example of this from what they showed at their debut parties.
It's more like sketch, with some visual prototyping
Hi Tom. This is a really good list. You also present an interesting question. IMO, I think it helps to have a design background. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, @aaron-a. I agree it's easier to get into Production Design with a design background. I meet many students at Thinkful who want to jump right into production, but there is a lack of courses to guide them in this fast-changing environment. I'm gearing up to create a course with tips and tricks to help designers of any level ease into production design process. Are there any courses out there that you would recommend me looking at?
As a developer, not having a hand-off stage is amazing. Views helped us remove the misunderstandings and the frustration that it means for both, designers and developers when the outcome doesn't match anyone's expectations. We're building products faster and with more confidence now. I also get more time to focus on the product's logic which is where I can add more value. How does hand-off impact on the way you build products?
@TomParandyk I would take a look at TeamTreehouse.com Many of their courses are focused around building projects while at the same time covering the basics of the language of your choice.
Thanks. Yeah. I tried treehouse some time ago and the challenge i experienced with it is that the knowledge is very general and it's hard to relate it directly to the job at hand. It's sort of sit down and block off couple of hours a day type of learning. Are there any hands on, real interface example types of courses?
I don't think this is a "new designer". Traditionally, designers and developers have different sources of truth.
This limitation, imposed by the state of our design tools, has been a major pain-in-the-ass for product team - further siloing the different roles of designers and developers and creating A LOT of extra work.
As designers move to think in composition of components (as opposed to static pages), and as our tooling improves there will be little sense for designers to work on static pixels, zooming in 400% to make sure something is absolutely aligned and then shipping that static asset for a developer to build from scratch
@benita i hear you. did i understand correctly, that you also think it's good when design is getting closer to development?
James. This look really interesting. It also happens to work with some of my favorite tools like Sketch and xCode.
Hi Tom, interesting topic and nice collection of tools. I was only aware of some of them and will check out the others as soon as I’m on a faster connection. I’m wondering, what did you mean in this context with “It's hard to tell if engineering makes me a better designer. It surely doesn't make me worse. ” Ideally, designers wouldn‘t even have to touch code to design in production right? Then the whole designers who code thing becomes irrelevant.
@jydesign @aaron-a Thanks for mentioning Fuse. We should add it to the list above. I've checked this tutorial about UX markup (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmGvmGEnaZw) and it looks like Fuse also allows designers to write simplified code and have control over the final interface.
How do you guys use Fuse in your project? Are you designers? Would you call yourself production designers?
@koos Learning engineering from engineers made me a better designer. Sorry for the ambiguity in my previous statement. I've learnt new ways of approaching and solving problems. Example, methodical tracing of an origin of a problem. Another one, testing in separation doesn't mean success when used in context. And, everything is possible, not everything is feasible.
I agree with you if you mean that designers shouldn't be forced to use code to successfully design in production. I've also experienced great benefits of understanding code. I see it as a benefit to be able to talk to developers and understand what they say back to me. It's hard to gain mutual respect in highly sophisticated product teams. Being able to reason about code most definitely helps to gain dev's team confidence in feasibility of my design ideas. Another benefit is an ability to design cleaner programming syntax and contribute my design skills to dev community. Check it out here, if you interested, and let me know your thoughts https://github.com/viewstools/docs.
I guess, that applies to Figma editing experience as well. The UX Markup is a combination of HTML, CSS, and JS, but it's still forcing designers to use code. I'm envisioning a flow where code is totally optional and designers can achieve 99% of jobs to be done with specialised tools. Today, Views Tools are almost ready to become that environment for me. But I still use code editor to get my work done quickly. Here's a screenshot of my design setup.
@tomparandyk I have not had a chance to use Fuse. I'm a designer and a perhaps reluctantly verging a production designer for some projects. I'm very interested in tech that will optimize iterative product design process between designers and those who launch actual product, but I'd prefer to not have to futz with code TBH. I just wrote up some thoughts about state of design tools going into 2018 and included a link to this thread in the section covering "single source of truth" in design systems: http://jydesign.com/looking-ahead-at-product-design-tools-in-2018
@jydesign good post! Lots of very valid points.
This question: "How can we design and deliver together in iterative and innovative ways?" is on my mind for last couple of years.
I'm a designer too. Design helps me solve problems for my customers. Engineering helps me understand how to optimise the solution for delivery.
I imagine, the best tools for a production designer to be flexible and keep doors equally open for designers and developers.
Would that be enough to bring designers and developers together?
We are privately testing beta tools now and getting closer to first major release. It's exciting!